Why Product Hunt’s Sophomore Effort Could Be Its Greatest Triumph

In an insightful post yesterday, David Berkowitz postulated that Product Hunt might be suffering from startup fatigue as 2015 draws to a close. His presented graphs and statistics are all on point, and the analysis of said metrics is fairly fleshed out, and I’d say quite accurate.

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However, though I agree with Berkowitz on a number of points, I stand apart in questioning whether Product Hunt has fallen victim to ennui and achieved the “Mad Men” effect. While the metrics point to a decrease in overall activity (which you can see in Berkowitz’s original post), I’m not so sure that the postulation of trouble for Product Hunt is exactly right. Let me tell you why.

The Debut Album

Product Hunt debuted halfway through 2014, and I came to it late in that summer, somewhere between July and August. I had just enough time to familiarize myself with the site (and app) before the windfall from the 6+ million a16z-led A round really enabled them to start expanding rapidly on their product and offerings. This summer alone PH has released 3 betas (that I’m aware of), Games, Books, and Podcasts, along with its LIVE feature (which I quite enjoy). I’ve heard murmurs that some people think PH is throwing anything at a wall and seeing what sticks, rather than focusing on one specific vision. Not only is this a fairly correct observation, but it’s exactly the right thing for Product Hunt to do.

As I discussed in this twitter thread, I think that from ~June 2014 till now (~October 2015), we’ve seen Product Hunt’s first act; its debut album as it were. That’s the album that is either overlooked except by the core fans (Nirvana’s 1989 album, Bleach) or gets all the attention (Pearl Jam’s 1991 debut, Ten).

The data implies that Product Hunt is of the latter, and that the coming months will most likely continue to be somewhat challenging for the company. The fact that PH might well be a necessary utility for some (as Berkowitz now identified it as for himself) as opposed to a quirky, fun new thing is arguably irrelevant. The fanaticism that Product Hunt enjoyed over the last year may not last in its current form, but it does signal something greater, I think.

The Sophomore Effort

Continuing the music analogy, Product Hunt now finds itself in the studio after its debut success. The tour’s been completed, and as such, self-avowed PH fans wait for the next release, many hoping to see a redo of the initial popular effort. But PH has outgrown its debut skin, and is looking for something to keep its creative juices fresh. What the metrics really tell us is that PH is going through growing pains, trying to figure out just how many new instruments and styles it wants to try on its new album. Product Hunt’s sophomore effort will do two things: 1) it will likely alienate a demographic of general users who “like the old stuff, but not the new vibe,” and 2) solidify those of us who want to see PH keep growing and cultivating its community.

I discussed Product Hunt’s winning in community earlier this summer, and since then have only furthered my beliefs in such. This signifies one of the main distinctions that I think will come to play out over Product Hunt’s ecosystem: certain users will use it mainly as a necessary utility, while others aren’t exactly sure what to use it as, but are drawn to the intriguing dynamic nonetheless. To be clear, there’s nothing wrong with being either kind of user; different strokes for different folks. But to be equally as clear, Product Hunt continues to succeed brilliantly because it attracts people like me; people who were not (are not) self-avowed die-hard tech product enthusiasts, but find it enticing anyway. I was never as much into new tech products and beta testing until I started using Product Hunt, and that’s exactly why it wins: it turns outsiders into insiders.

Some have begun to criticize PH for its commenting invites, and the exclusivity factor which they arguably perpetuate. But I think the minor exclusivity factor actually distracts from a much bigger inclusive factor. Product Hunt has succeeded in building the backbone of a community that is magnetic; it’s engaged, positive, and exciting for people who are open to new things.

Points of Discussion

In all this, Berkowitz makes a number of statements which I agree with, but analyze differently.

  1. Upvotes may not be the best measure of activity: This may in fact be true, but I’m not sure it matters as much as one might think. I see Product Hunt’s upvotes as proof of concept; people did want to see new products and share their impressions of them. But the upvote (and downvote, additionally) is a fairly one-dimensional interaction, and one I can see becoming less important to Product Hunt in the grand scheme. I don’t necessarily think they’ll get rid of it, but now that the PH team has planted the seeds of a truly interested and engaging community, those seeds are now germinating, and thus simple upvote metrics might not even be enough to truly capture the meaning behind those interactions.
  2. There could be a long tail effect: The prospect that lesser known products are doing better is possibly the best thing that could happen to PH in my opinion. What we could be seeing is the beginning of a democratization in the PH community, one where you don’t necessarily have to know someone influential to get your product some real traction. If I were part of the PH team, I would try to capitalize on this and figure out how to focus this dynamic; keep pushing the democratization without losing the high standard of quality.
  3. Perhaps Product Hunt is too slow in letting new people participate: I can see the validity of this point, and can see how it plays right into the “Product Hunt is about exclusivity” argument. There’s no quick and easy fix here, and I don’t think there should be. PH needs to retain its values and vision, even if that means it remains partially closed to prospective new users for a time.

    Notice, however, that I said partially closed; my best thought would be to let new users trickle in by giving them some access, a little at a time. Give them perhaps 5 comments every month until they gain full access. This could hopefully encourage them to use their comments wisely, and thus dissuade them from posting drivel or offensive material, while simultaneously allowing PH team members the necessary control to guide these new users.   
  4. Product Hunt is expanding into new categories such as games, books, and podcasts: This I don’t think is a problem at all; I think it’s an opportunity. Not every sub-category will be gold, but that doesn’t make it lead either. I quite like Books, and use it way more than Games (I’m not much a gamer). And though I’ve never been huge into podcasts, the new channel is making me rethink that. People will get different things from different channels, and there will be no way to see what’s really a success until a few more months pass.

    I do, however, think that PH has enough new things to keep its hands full (especially with the addition of the LIVE channel as well), and think it should focus on the irons it already has in the fire rather than continuing to add new ones.        

Berkowitz’s focus on the overall trends present in the graphs, though, is just one part of the story I think. Metrics are necessary things, but they can sometimes distract from possibilities on the horizon otherwise overshadowed by more dour trends. I think that’s the case here, where PH’s recent trends forecast a much more problematic stance than is actually there.

Cultivate the Community, Ignore the Noise

In the coming months, I can see Product Hunt becoming one of the popular contemporary examples of a company that arguably lost its “special sauce” after a great first year and successful Series A round. I anticipate articles to follow on TechCrunch, Re/Code, and to pop up all over Medium, as PH gets picked apart over its somewhat plateauing (if not declining) metrics. However, I caution against counting out PH too soon, and not focusing thoroughly on where they have situated themselves over the past year. Observers would do well to remember that PH is much more than metrics and trends; in fact, it’s mostly more than that. It’s community.

Keep throwing things at the wall, and experimenting with new instruments on the next album, and see what works. PH has already succeeded because their core fanbase is coalescing. Now they just need to nurture that base. Cultivate the community that any band or startup would kill for; that’s where the real power rests. When you leverage the power of your fanbase, the trends can go any way you want them to. All the rest is just noise. 

As for the Product Hunt team, my best advice to them were I to be asked would be to keep their heads down and just work. Acknowledge that this is the sophomore effort, and thus may irritate some of its debut supporters. However, this is the nature of the sophomore album, and could signal Product Hunt’s move towards the release of something even bigger than before. Whereas 2014-15 was Bleach, 2016 could be Nevermind. 

The Hit List: 20 Demos, Albums and EP’s You Need to Hear Right Now — October 5, 2015

Another week, another great list of artists that need to be on your rotation for the coming days. It’s getting to the point where I need to start making lists weeks in advance because of the sheer number of artists who deserve a mention. Whereas last week we killed it heavily to ska and reggae, this time around I’m diggin hard on a bunch of electro and punk tunes that will turn your world upside down. Albums are in no particular order, so make it all the way to the bottom; I guarantee you don’t want to miss out on any of these people!

1. Where Has the Music Gone?General Tso’s Fury – 2015

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2. FluxBrighter Than a Thousand Suns – 2014

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3. These Creatures We FearPink Noise Party – 2015

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4. Life Is Great?!?Thought Transfer – 2015

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5. Stories EPIn Codes – 2015

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6. Gloomy TunesWeakend Friends – 2015

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7. Runaways EPPermission to Panic – 2015

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8. Summer Suicide EPIt’s The Lipstick On Your Teeth – 2015

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9. StaticStatic – 2015

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10. A Mortal’s TearInfy -2015

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11. Ginger and the SnapsGinger and the Snaps – 2015

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12. Nuclear Minds EPNuclear Minds – 2015

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13. Art CapitalArt Capital – 2015

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14. Revery EPRevery – 2015

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15. Burning Down EPNo Damn Good – 2015

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16. The Whole World Has No ClothesLow Swans – 2014

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17. Late Night in the Lab – The Blindfolds – 2015

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18. Pressure EPHawklion – 2015

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19. AdhesiveLizard Depression – 2015

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20. Astray EP – Fogscape – 2014

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The Hit List: 20 Demos, Albums and EP’s You Need to Hear Right Now — September 28, 2015

I’m stoked to put out an amazing list today. Encapsulating the feel-good feelings of the late-summer/early-autumn transition, this week’s list is heavy on ska, reggae, psychedelic, and punk. Yet I’ve also thrown in a few indie-folk and electropop artists too for good measure, just to show how many incredible creators there are out there. Filled with a slew of new releases, if this week’s list is any indication, independent music is not only alive and well, but growing at an incredible rate. As always, albums are in no particular order, so keep killin it all the way through; you won’t be disappointed. \m/

1. The DemosIt’s Butter – 2015

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2. Where Has the Music Gone?General Tso’s Fury – 2015

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3. RelentlessThe Nixon Rodeo – 2015

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4. The Devil Never ComesMolly Rhythm – 2014

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5. Ginger and the SnapsGinger and the Snaps – 2015

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6. Jesus – SingleThe Head – 2015

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7. Freakout Hell BusBumpin Uglies – 2015

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8. 2 Song DemoDiablogato – 2014

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9. The TideWildlight – 2015

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10. Fortune’s Folly EPFortune’s Folly – 2015

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11. Let LooseThem Damn Dogs – 2015

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12. Bring the A GameBeneath the Reef – 2015

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13. Give Give GiveNick and the Adversaries – 2013

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14. Down with the Ship – The Waxies – 2015

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15. shapes in rapidApartment Kids – 2015

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16. Double A SideSink Alaska – 2015

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17. SpeakThe Introverts – 2015

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18. Dead Man WalkingJesse Ray and the Carolina Catfish – 2015

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19. Take Me Away EPIan Sounds – 2015

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20. Ghosts-Bakemi- – 2015

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The Hit List: 20 Demos, Albums and EP’s You Need to Hear Right Now — September 21, 2015

With all the stuff I have to do during the day, some might wonder when I find the time to search out all of these incredible artists. The truth is that I happen to run across a lot of them through other artists; that’s one of the things I love most about this job. The “six-degrees-of-separation” dynamic is one of the coolest aspects of being in the music business; everyone seems to know everyone. Sick new releases on here, as well as some ones I’ve been listening to all summer. As always, albums are in no particular order, so keep rockin all the way through! ;D

1. PerceptionsAll Comes Down – 2015

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2. The Nightingale: A Gothic FairytaleValentine Wolfe – 2015

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3. Gloomy TunesWeakened Friends – 2015

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4. The Art of Fading OutTruth Laced Lie – 2015

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5. Try Try Try EPTry Try Try – 2015

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6. Misunderstood People SocietyThe Jungles – 2015

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7. ShadowsIn Hours – 2015

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8. March in the Dark: Chapter TwoAnyone’s Guess – 2015

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9. Survive the Night – Single50/50 – 2015

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10. Dais EPDais – 2015

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11. AnomalyAuditory Armory – 2012

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12. Look to the SunRival Island – 2015

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13. Electric SymphonyAdam Singer – 2015

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14. Feels – SingleKiiara – 2015

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15. MUTTMUTT – 2015

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16. DemoThird Season – 2015

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17. Lack of Hate EPLimb to Limb – 2014

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18. My Cruel Goro EPMy Cruel Goro – 2015

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19. Vaati & VeselekovTanooki Suit – 2015

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20. Rathole EPRathole – 2015

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You Better Be a Punk

I just finished reading Jason Calacanis’s post “You don’t have what it takes” with regard to starting a company. How hard it is to start a company, and how hard it is to keep a company going. And how it is to keep your team breathing financially, and make your company successful. And not just any company; a startup.

I was pointed to the post when Charles Jo tagged me on Twitter (though I would have read it eventually, as I follow Jason’s blog), and posed a thought process to me: “[S]eems similar to what I imagine musicians go through.”

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I let that postulation play through my head as I read Jason’s article, and tried to see if any of the advice and realities in it applied to new (most times) independent artists too. I reflected on my ~10 years of experiences in the music universeas an artist, a journalist, a DJand of all the artists I know and speak to. And the finding of my thought experiment regarding those realities, is yes, they do. A lot.

Jason talks very bluntly about the pain that startups cause founders, and what kind of spine you need to have to soldier on through it. Startups are a bloodsport, and not nearly as easy, romantic, or chic as people might think after watching an episode of Shark Tank.

So in an effort to not simply reiterate Jason’s already well-made points, I’ll instead pose a different line of thinking. Before deciding that you have the spine to lead a startup company, take a moment and ask yourself a different question: Do I have what it takes to be in a band?

Do You Have What It Takes to Be in a Band?

Bands are fucking hard. And just like startups, they are way less glamorous than people think. Do you have visions of yourself playing Madison Square Garden, or accepting a Grammy as your song rockets up the charts? If so, you probably don’t have what it takes. Do you look forward to touring and watching as packed clubs mouth the words to your songs? You’re living in a dream.

Chances are most all the clubs you’ll play for the first year (or more) will be near dead empty, and no one will know (or care about) your songs. You’re more than super likely not going to have a “hit song,” and you pretty much for damn sure aren’t ever going to get anywhere near Madison Square Garden except when you’re buying tickets to see KISS play live.

You’re going to have a day job for the foreseeable future (forever?) and when you “go on tour,” you’re going to be sleeping in your crappy van, eating overpriced bar food (which you can’t afford), playing to people who mostly don’t care, and trying to raise a Kickstarter campaign for your next EP release, which again, no one cares about. You’re going to have to deal with being stiffed on your pay many nights, and your van will get broken in to and your gear stolen at least once.

This is just the reflection of the tip of the iceberg, and if any of this bothers you, then pack up, go home, and don’t even think about doing it. In fact, if this doesn’t excite you and make you hungry for more, then you don’t have the spine to be in any part of the music business other than as a fan and consumer.

You Need to Be Somewhat Masochistic

I’m convinced that you need to be severely masochistic on some level to want to be an independent artist, the same as if you want to lead (or be part of) a startup company. There are no breaks, and you shouldn’t want any, other than to eat, and call your parents and friends to tell them you still have a pulse. You should want to be thinking about work all the time because your work should excite you that much.

The real independent artists out therethe ones who you will probably go through your whole life never hearing aboutknow you won’t ever hear them, care about them, or help them. They do it anyway. They don’t wait for someone to hand them a great contract to get started, and they for damn sure don’t let hardships slow them down.

You Better Know How to DIY It Like a Punk

Just like being in a startup, how do you know if you have the spine to be in a band?

Here’s how: You know you’re going to do it, no matter what anyone else says, or tries to convince you of. You’re going to be a punk about it; you’ll DIY it the whole way through if you need to, but you’re going to do it. You’ll get down and dirty in the muck of all the things that could and will go wrong, and make your home in the palace of adversity. You’ll relish the challenge and ask for permission from no one to take on that next challenge that gives you chills.  And that’s it.   

Some may say that being too focused on your startup is living too closely to your passion, and can create large blindspots. In general, that can be very true. But you also can’t do a startup without that diehard passion. If you don’t want to tattoo your startup’s logo on your armif you figure you can just pivot to something elseyou don’t have the drive and spine for either a band or a startup.

But if you can honestly think to yourself, “yeah, I’d definitely go on tour in a shitty van (which will break down), play shows to empty rooms, not get paid, and then spend money I don’t have on recording my next album” then maybe you can do the band thing. It doesn’t matter what kind of music you play; bring out your inner punk and see how stupidly masochistic that punk is, and just how badly that punk wants it.

The Hit List: 20 Demos, Albums and EP’s You Need to Hear Right Now — September 14, 2015

Back in Atlanta for the new Hit List this week, and damn I’ve got some awesome new artists for you! This time around, some great electronic EP’s, some cool acoustic tracks, and some good old-fashioned alternative hard-rock to rock out to! As always, albums are in no particular order, so make it all the way to the bottom, because every one of these artists is slammin 😉 The independent music universe continues to be the place to be, so check it out!

1. MirrorsA Light Divided – 2015

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2. DEKADES – DEKADES – 2015

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3. Love Songs for the Love-ImpairedVices I Admire – 2014

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4. En L’airDark Furs – 2014

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5. FluxBrighter Than a Thousand Suns – 2014

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6. Sick Like ThisBeth Blade and the Beautiful Disasters – 2015

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7. The Black Swan TheoryImber – 2015

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8. The Devil Never ComesMolly Rhythm – 2014

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9. We’re All Meat and We’re Gonna Get EatThe Tommyhawks – 2015

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10. I Was Born EPGhost Lit Kingdom – 2015

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11. The Beautiful MachineHailey Magee – 2015

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12. EPOctazooka – 2015

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13. Fortune’s Folly EPFortune’s Folly – 2015

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14. His Vengeful HandThe Bad Beats – 2015

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15. We Are InfinitePaper Ocean – 2015

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16. ShadowglassLeft in the Dark – 2015

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17. Color GravityColor Gravity – 2015

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18. Demo TapeGeneration Wasteland – 2015

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19. The Strugglin EPStoop Kid – 2015

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20. Moving Parts EPKing Ruhtra – 2015

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The Hit List: 20 Demos, Albums and EP’s You Need to Hear Right Now — September 7, 2015

This week, the Hit List coming to you from the sunny beaches of L.A. as I’m out here for a weekend! ;D Diggin hard on these artists, and damn the world map is expanding in the best way! With amazing musicians from Canada, Spain, the U.S., U.K., Poland, and New Zealand, among others, I love seeing these lists grow. Albums are in no particular order, so make it all the way to the bottom, because every one of these artists is killin it in the best way 😉 The independent music universe is slammin again this week, so check it out!

1. Red DoorPost Script – 2015

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2. The DemosIt’s Butter – 2015

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3. OMermaidens – 2014

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4. Nuclear Minds EP – Nuclear Minds – 2015

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5. StoriesParis In Paint – 2015

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6. Darkstone Crows EPDarkstone Crows – 2015

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7. SecretsThe Acorn People – 2014

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8. Rise to Rall EPAltermind – 2015

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9. The Artist – SingleEternal Mortality – 2014

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10. FibresSeason to Attack – 2012

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11. Feast of AshesInviolate – 2012

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12. August – SingleBury Me Standing – 2014

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13. Chasing SkylinesWho Saves The Hero? – 2015

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14. Learning How to LiveMy Lonely Heart – 2015

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15. AvelaAvela – 2015

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16. Half BlueHalf Blue – 2015

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17. HorseAnimals in Suits – 2015

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18. RTP EPReady The Prince – 2015

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19. Futurelight EPFuturelight – 2014

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20. Engram EPDelta. Reverse – 2015

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The Continuing Money Troubles of SoundCloud

Back in July, it was reported that German music streaming company SoundCloud was “running dangerously low on cash.” While this made barely a ripple in the mainstream news cycle, those in the tech and music industries were certainly paying attention, postulating how it was going to turn out. With ~$125M in cumulative funding, SoundCloud, which would be on its Series E for its next round, seriously can’t afford to be running low on cash; not now.

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While ~$125M in funding is nothing to scoff at, one needs to examine the dynamics of where that funding is arguably going given SoundCloud’s precarious position at the moment. In the best of situations, the funding would be going towards furthering Soundcloud’s standing amongst its competitors, which now include Apple Music and Tidal in addition to Rdio and Spotify. And yet, the money is more likely getting sucked up by legal fees as the service braces for a round of massive copyright infringement lawsuits from major labels Universal and Sony. Anyone who knows anything about litigation knows that these cases will most likely take years to resolve, all the while drawing larger attorneys’ fees (not to mention time and effort) from the music service.

What the major label industry really looks like; The Big Three

What the major label industry really looks like; The Big Three

Warner is conspicuously absent from the intended lawsuits, no doubt because it’s the only one of the Big Three major labels to have struck a licensing deal with SoundCloud already (never mind the fact that Warner also owns 5% of SoundCloud..). While this may sound good for the streaming service on the front end, it actually complicates things even further, as it throws SoundCloud into the middle of two completely different paradigms with completely different dynamics. The reality of the situation is that SoundCloud has found itself alienating the very independent artists who were its biggest supporters since it signed the deal with Warner and began moving towards a more major label-style content service, akin to Spotify and Rdio. While this doesn’t mean that it’s dead in the water by any means, it does point to a larger issue which SoundCloud needs to figure out for itself moving forward.

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All of this puts in perspective the fact that SoundCloud can’t afford to be “running low on cash” right now. Now that they’ve entered the major label universe, they need a ton of cash just to continue playing the game, as they need to pay for licensing from Warner (and the other labels eventually), pay out royalties, and keep innovating ahead of their competition. That, in conjunction with their impending legal problems, makes this arguably the worst time to be running low on capital (as if there’s ever a good time!). The lawsuits by Universal and Sony aren’t going to go away overnight, and all those legal hours add up; that’s money that could be spent obtaining licensing rights and paying royalties that is now essentially being sucked out of SoundCloud’s system just so it can survive.

I don’t know what SoundCloud’s next step is going to be, but it needs to figure out a way to take the cumulative ~$125M it has in the bank (or whatever’s left) and figure out its legal quagmire before it does anything else. Otherwise, the legalities are just going to suck the life out of it while its competitors move ahead. That may be easier said than done, though, as it needs deals with the very people suing it in order to survive and be competitive. Could anything be more ironic?

The Hit List: 20 Demos, Albums and EP’s You Need to Hear Right Now — August 31, 2015

Another week, another Hit List with a slew of amazing artists you probably never knew existed. This time, artists from some new corners of the world, from the U.S. to Norway to the Philippines, and everywhere in between. This is one list you’re not going to want to miss out on, check these people out, they’re gonna just blow your mind! There’s even some amazing music in languages other than English, which is always a great thing to experience in the music universe. Same disclaimer as always: albums are in no particular order, so give all these people some major love. Things in the music world are slammin this week, so check it out!

1. DestinationNovembervägen – 2015

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2. Free Recovery EPFree Recovery – 2015

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3. Wolfstooth – SingleBitch Falcon – 2015

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4. Everything Is FineFourth Line – 2015

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5. Freakout Hell BusBumpin Uglies – 2015

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6. No Way Out – SingleFever Pitch – 2015

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7. StasisLucid Fly – 2015

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8. The BlockFir Drive – 2015

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9. Warranted QueenArum Rae – 2014

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10. Love Moves On – SingleThe Swear – 2014

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11. Pretty Ugly EPThe Sex Tape Scandal – 2014

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12. Make/Believe E.P.TUSK – 2015

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13. Summer Fits EPSummer Fits – 2015

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14. Give Give GiveNick and the Adversaries – 2013

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15. Basement FamousA Hero Falls – 2015

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16. SavnSavn – 2014

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17. Old NewsThe Lately – 2015

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18. Rock Is Dead and I Know Where the Bodies Are Buried – Marion Crane – 2014

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19. Progress of EliminationThe Infinity Process – 2015

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20. Soundtrip – Kinetic Daze – 2015

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The Hit List: 20 Demos, Albums and EP’s You Need to Hear Right Now — August 24, 2015

One of the things that I love most about the music business is the sheer number of amazing artists that populate the musical landscape. Whatever your taste, there’s always someone new ready to make an impression, and every day is like winning the lottery if your desired prize is awesome new material (which mine always is, of course). This week’s Hit List bounces all over the place, from ska punk to post-grunge, and from indie-rock to some awesome alternative rap-rock. Albums are in no particular order. These people are killin it in the best way, check it out!

1. Let’s Get DangerousBackyard Superheroes – 2015

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2. When You Fall – SingleBrokenRail – 2013

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3. The DemosIt’s Butter – 2015

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4. BootleggerBlack Ally – 2015

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5. Carpe Noctem EPtattermask – 2015

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6. Kimonono IKimonono – 2015

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7. UndefeatedUndefeated – 2015

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8. This is Your LifeLong Knives – 2015

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9. Darkstone Crows EPDarkstone Crows – 2015

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10. 129Cherry White – 2013

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11. In QuicksandAncient Lasers – 2015

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12. MUTT EPMUTT – 2015

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13. Midsummer SensationPaper Spook – 2015

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14. SupermoonTessellations – 2015

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15. Hot WiresThe Whoas! – 2015

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16. PsillosWar of Senses – 2015

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17. Going SouthBroad Run – 2015

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18. Safe HouseBetter Friend – 2015

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19. I Ain’t DoneShorty the Giant – 2015

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20. 3 Styles EPRed Sky – 2015

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